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More Than Just the Blues- Guests Erin Shepard and Kate Jones/ Episode 51

There is a scene in the Disney animated version of Robin Hood that often comes to mind.  (Please watch it with your kids. It’s important to their development. And yours. I promise!)  All of the characters are animated animals. Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham have just discovered that Robin Hood is at their tournament and they are trying to catch him.  At one point, Prince John’s guards (charging Rhinos, naturally) storm into a tent where Little John is hiding, carrying the tent across the tournament field. Little John’s head pushes through the top of the tent and he sees that he is at the front of a stampeding tent powered by rhinos that can’t see where they’re going.  He exclaims, “Who’s driving this flying umbrella?”

Disney’s Robin Hood

How many times have I asked myself that question? I’m at the front of the family, my head is out where I can see the trajectory of my path, but something else is choosing the speed and direction under the surface.  I should be happy—this is what I wanted! I’m taking care of everyone and it looks like we’re….fine…but I’m so angry, ashamed, TIRED, sad, anxious or enraged.

We all know that pregnancy does a number on our bodies.  But we forget that our brains are part of our bodies too, and OF COURSE they are affected as well.  At least 20% of new moms experience Postpartum depression. Even when baby and mom seem “fine”, there could be a lot going on under the surface that is confusing and a little scary.  And don’t forget perinatal depression (DURING pregnancy), which can really take the shine off that “glow” all prospective moms are supposed to have.

Remember: WE’RE HERE TO GIVE YOURSELF PERMISSION TO GIVE YOURSELF A BREAK!  This week we talk to Erin Shepard and Kate Jones about perinatal depression, postpartum depression, and the many aspects of women’s mental health. Listen for yourself or for someone you love. Here’s what we talked about:

  1. What is perinatal depression.
  2. Mood disorders triggered by pregnancy.
  3. What does perinatal mood disorder look like.
  4. Red Flags to look for in perinatal mood disorders: intensity of your mood, do your symptoms immobilize you, what is the duration of these feelings and how often are you feeling these strong feelings.
  5. The importance of talking about the different signs of perinatal depression.
  6. Treatment for postpartum depression.
  7. Risk factors that increase the chance of postpartum depression.
  8. Taking a holistic approach to treating women’s mental health.
  9. Creating a women’s wellness plan. (See SNOWBALL visual below)
  10. Treating symptoms during pregnancy will help prevent postpartum depression.
  11. The many emotions perinatal depression can present itself as: rage, anger, guilt, anxiety, shame, and sadness.
  12. Recognizing inconsistent emotions in yourself.
  13. The importance of a preventative plan.
  14. Barriers to treatment.
  15. The lifespan of a mother’s mental health.

Mom squad challenge:

Erin’s Challenge:  Take the negative self talk: like what you are doing isn’t good enough or how your struggle makes you look weak, and step back and challenge that belief. It’s just a belief not a fact!

Kate’s Challenge:  Recognize way  we can support each other as women and mothers.

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2 Comment

  1. I loved the episode. This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot now that we are trying for our third. I decided with baby#3 that no matter what I was going to speak up and say that I needed help. With my first two I never felt any of the feelings they have on those questionnaires they give you before you leave the hospital or at my baby’s first appt with the pediatrician, but I still never felt right. I always chalked it up to “hormones out of whack” and I had to deal with it myself because my symptoms were never in line with those questions so obviously on paper I was fine. I know now that I was so wrong! I was struggling in silence and I didn’t have to be. Thank you so much for sharing this!I feel like I have so much more knowledge now and I have more courage to speak up whenever that time comes. Thank you thank you again . This episode was priceless to me and spoke deep to my mother heart.

    1. Jamie,
      I so hear you on this one! I struggled in silence as well and it is just so sad! It doesn’t have to be that way. I really appreciate your comments and your willingness to share your own personal struggles…it helps so many others to be able to see that they are not alone. I’m so happy that this episode spoke to you…it did to me as well!

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